Jeff who studied with James before he went to Bethel, told me that James got no grave stone or maker,
They said that Jah would remember him and that's all that matters.
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When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.
by new boy inthis is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".
yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.
besides we were never going to die anyway.
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When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.
by new boy inthis is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".
yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.
besides we were never going to die anyway.
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This is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.
When I went to Bethel I and everyone else, signed a form stating that "If we died while at Bethel the Wathtower Bible and Tract Society,had the RIGHT to keep our body."
Yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that. Besides we were never going to die anyway. 1975 was coming.
I know of two brothers who killed themselfs while at Bethel and two others who tried end their lives. My guess is people have been killing themselfs at Bethel long before I ever got there.
James Olsen killed himself in 1973. They kept his body and it's buried someplace in upstate New York.
So why would the society be so interested in our dead bodies?
Do they want to deal with the extra expense to bury the bodies? No, doesn't sound like them.
Do they want to grind the bodies up and use them for fertilizer. No
But really why?
My guess is legal issues. If someone could prove wrongful death. There could be a lawsuit. We all know how much they like them.
Now, the "form" signing your body over makes perfect sense.
The good Doctor there would sign the death certificate. He state the cause of death and the body is kept.
Other wise why have such a form?
Your thoughts?
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New Light on the Sodomites?
by new boy inthe men of sodom will be resurrected.[7/1879,p8].
the men of sodom will not be resurrected.
the men of sodom will be resurrected.
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That new light is strange stuff!
I'm just glad they are never WRONG or otherwise you might think they are just making this shit up as they are going a long. You know something men in power like to do.
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JW's Funerals, Forget About The Person! Let's Preach.
by new boy ingod forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral.
so what do most people get after living 70-80 years?.
a 5-10 minutes eulogy.
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God forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral
So what do most people get after living 70-80 years?
A 5-10 minutes eulogy. Then the transition statment is "Let me tell you about what Fred REALLY believed in."
The start off in Genesis and end up in Revelation. 45 minutes later your walking away thinking. That's they have to say about poor old Fred's life.
The good new is the speaker gets to can count his time.
As we all know people in the organization are unimportant living or DEAD.
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"If I wasn't born a JW, I would never have become one."
by OneEyedJoe ini've seen it mentioned by a few on the forum that at some point there was a realization that had they not been born a jw, they never would've converted no matter how many times the jws tried to study with them.
this was my experience too, and i'm wondering how universal it is for those that were born-in but eventually left.
i think i started having this thought (more specifically that if i were not born a jw, i would surely have become an atheist by now) in my late teens.
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It's true!
Nothing makes more JWS than JWs having sex with other JWS! Now take it one step further.
I guessing that 2/3 of all JWs "born" stay in (put in whatever percentage you like) , So if you are born in you have over a 60% of surviving gods day of wrath.
However since there are 7. 4 million JWs and 7.4 billion worldly people what are your odds?..
So if you were not "born in" you have only 1 in a 1000 change of making it! So why did he give you a better chance of avoiding his rage than the worldly guy?
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How do I handle this situation?
by BarelyThere inhey everyone.
i'm sorry that this isn't a very thought provoking post but i could really use some advice on how to handle this.
there isn't anyone else in my life i can ask right now because, being dfed, all of my friends are "worldly" and don't know how witnesses function.
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Easy, copy and paste this conversation and send it to everyone you know, all your family and friends. Tell them that this is why you left the organization in the first place. That it wasn't the bad marriage or sex with someone else. It was the general lack of love. That you know in your heart that if you do come back you will never be treated the same, which is true and these comments proves it.
You're screwed if you go back and yes
You're screed if you leave.....the only difference between the two after you leave it does get better after awhile. However if you go back it will only get worse as time goes by.
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My After Bethel Experience Part 3
by new boy inwe started attending the wakefield r.i. kh after the marriage.
at the first meeting i went to, "buddy" weber came up to greet me.
he had left a very good job in seattle.
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My After Bethel Experience Part 3
by new boy inwe started attending the wakefield r.i. kh after the marriage.
at the first meeting i went to, "buddy" weber came up to greet me.
he had left a very good job in seattle.
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- We started attending the Wakefield R.I. KH after the marriage. At the first meeting I went to, "Buddy" Weber came up to greet me. He had left a very good job in Seattle. He had his own radio talk show making big money. He was now a janitor, living were the need was greatest in the USA. At the time R.I had the worst publisher to normal people ratio in the country 1 to 1600. I'm just standing there listening to him as he is giving me the "What he has done for Jehovah story." What his "spiritual credentials" are and how wonderful his kids are, were they were pioneering, how he had given up a good job so he could serve the Lord by cleaning windows in Rhode Island, because the end was coming soon in 1975, just a few months away Blah Blah.......Blah
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- It reminded me, so much how the JWs love to martyr themselves and how much they say "We are all equal." On the other hand, they love positions, that deep down inside they believe that some are really better than others and that they are working their way into the "New System." When I first got to Bethel I loved it too. Than after a while I hated being introduced as "This is brother Casarona he is a Bethelite." After a while that meant nothing to me. I wasn't more or less spiritual than anyone else.......So I'm listening to "Buddy" tell me how wonderful he and his family are, except his son Mike Weber his son, he wasn't pioneering at the time, Thus he was a piece of shit, even though he didn't say it like that, I got the drift............So Buddy asked me if I was visiting the hall. I said "No that we moving in". He said......."Well you have moved to the wrong place because they really don't need any 'help' here." I thought I'm not here to "Help" anyone. I just wanted some place to hide and lick my wounds.
We had rented a small 800 sq. ft. upstairs apartment of this huge old New England house in Narragansett, for 90 bucks a month, it use to be the servant quarters but there hadn't been any servants in there since the great stock market crash of the 1920's.
After 4 weeks of the honeymooning and rest. The money was almost gone......So it was time to get a job. Before Bethel all I ever did was work in fast food restaurants, at minimum wage. I had no job skills. I did have a letter from Bethel stating that I could work a 1920's freight elevator and operate a letter head press (which no one was using anymore). Two job skills that are of no value in the real world. I had done some "G" jobbing, as a house painter at Bethel. So I went Door to Door looking for odd painting jobs. The first day out I got some painting work, thus "Pioneer Painting Company" was started. My card said at the bottom "Licensed, Bonded and Insured"............I wasn't any of those things......I did drink "Bonded whiskey, I did have a driver’s license and car insurance, but that was it. It should have been called "Wing and A Prayer Painting Company"
That summer in 1974 we went to the District Convention. There we got the "New Light" that we NOW could have "limited contact" with disfollowshipped persons. So Debbie who hadn't seen her real father in about 10 years, thought now might be a good time for a road trip to California, to see her him. Since I was going to be the best man in Roy Baty's wedding in Kansas, we thought we could kill two birds with one stone. So in September we left in my 1966 ford Econoline van, for what would be an 8,000 mile road trip with a 150 dollars and a gas credit card.
Our first stop was Bethel, we picked up Roy. He had "made his time" and like me was waiting a whole week to get married. We drove to Kansas in 2 days. The week before the wedding all hell broke loose, there was one BIG problem! Roy wanted to have beer at his wedding. No one could remember anyone ever having any alcoholic beverages at a "JW" wedding in the Salina Kansas before. This turned into a huge problem with half the congregation saying they were NOT going to attend. The main guy against it was John Norman from Abilene. Roy asked me what to do. I said "Screw them Roy, they made you wait 4 years for this girl, you deserve a beer and besides, didn't Jesus drink and make wine at a wedding? You know Jesus our LEADER?"..........Well I guess someone always has to be the first one.......to do anything...... right? If they only knew how much booze the boys back in the headquarters drank, including their leaders, they would shit a brick!
This was the same congregation, Roy and I pioneered in for 2 years, before we went to Bethel. We are talking tight asses. We had one congregation gathering in 2 years. It was a picnic after working all day remodeling the Kingdom Hall. Roy and I stood around eating corn on the cob with all the old ladies, it looked like a Quaker meeting. A week later our CO Merle Freeman (he looked and talked like Elmer Fudd). Got up at the service meeting and read a letter from the "Society" that warned us of the dangers of "organized gatherings”, a place where there could be over drinking and immorality. It seems the brothers in Southern California would rent out a whole roller ring once a month for their kids. Some of them would be drinking and screwing in the parking lot. The Society got wind of it and thus the letter. So "Elmer" is reading this letter to us. After the letter he said. "So we won't be doing any more of those!" meaning like the panic the week before.....with all that corn on the cob. We were getting the cob again all right.
Well, Roy got 5 cases of Coors beer. It was a Great wedding and yes most of the tight asses did show up including John Norman. He enjoyed the beer along with everyone else!
They just wanted to make a pretense of being righteous.
The brothers don't you just love them?
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My Experience after Bethel Part 2
by new boy inas i mention before i was going to move to california when i left bethel, to get way from debbie's parents.
so i thought the best thing to do was to go to the service department and ask them were they "needed help" in the bay area of northern california.
this shows you how totally delusional i really was at the time.
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As I mention before I was going to move to California when I left Bethel, to get way from Debbie's parents. So I thought the best thing to do was to go to the Service Department and ask them were they "Needed Help" in the Bay area of Northern California. This shows you how totally delusional I really was at the time. I thought I could still "Help" others, by moving to area that needed help. Yeah right! Just what a congregation needed another "Burned out" exbethelite. So I went to Merton Campbell. He was in the Service Department. He said. "Well they don't really need people in that area.....but were we could really use you is in Kansas! Hays, Kansas!” Many say that life is one big circle. I pioneered in Salina Kansas before I went to Bethel, which is about 70 miles from Hays Kansas. It was way too soon to make that circle back to Kansas. Then I remembered the movie Doctor Zivago. Where he said in the in the movie. "Happy men never really volunteer for anything.”
Merton Campbell was a nice guy. He was one of the heavies in the Service Department. He saved our asses with the "poker table incident."
We were board so we started playing cards on Saturday afternoons. So we bought this poker table and put a bed spread over it. So one Saturday we invited a couple of guys over to pay poker. We are talking a real penny ante game. We invited Ron Tellson over to pay. So after a couple of hours of paying, he gets up to leave. We count up his chips and tell him he owes us $1.34........He said. "Are you guys kidding right?"...."No" we said......."We were paying for real money." He said "We can't be playing for real money"......."We can't?" we said......."No.....GOD hates gambling, of any kind!" He said......I looked over at Jack and said "O.K. let’s forget the whole thing. We’ll never do it again and keep your $1.38 too." He said "No way, you guys need to turn yourself in to the brothers and if you don't, I will!"
The brothers always looking out for God and the organization.........It reminded me of the "secret police" in Nazis Germany......We must keep the "Zee" Organization clean of the penny ante poker players! So you guess it, we turn ourselves in......The Key to turning yourself in, is......You can choose WHO you go to confess your sins to. Usually the choices fall somewhere in between, Self-righteous, tight ass and someone who might believe in a little bit of mercy? We choose the latter, Brother Campbell. He thought it was kind of humorous and told us NEVER do it again........and yes we needed to get rid of the poker table too. We sold the table to Dave Borga the G-Job king. Next week Ron asked us "Did we turn ourselves in?" "Yes Sir!"
So anyway, we didn't move to California. We moved to Narragansett, Rhode Island. Southern R.I with all the swamp Yankees. It was about 10 miles away from Newport. There was a toll bridge in Jamestown for 2 bucks......I thought that would help keep her parents away. Funny thing is, after we got married her mother never gave us any flack. It seemed her big fear was of Debbie getting pregnant out of wedlock the whole time.
We were in the Wakefield Rhode Island congregation, cold as ice. The Swamp Yankees would laugh and say if you move here "NOT your children but their children......will be thought of as TRUE New Englanders." Little did I know that was really true? This one brother move in there, in 1947 from Alabama after WWII they never did warm up to him after 30 years. It was one of those Kingdom Halls were three families ran the whole show. It was the Conns, Burgesses and the Brayton’s (one of the oldest JW families in R.I) I never cared much for John Brayton the youngest of the boys. I thought he was a Jerk with small man syndrome.
It was August of 1972, John and his gang came down to bethel. His on again, off again girlfriend Linda Antonelli, was trying to make him jealous by throwing herself at a friend of mine Dave. There was a big party in our room, I told Linda and her cousin Patty I wanted to talk to them about the games she was playing. So we went to "The Towers" library and talked for about 45 minutes. When we got back to the room, John had left to go back to R.I, leaving the girls high and dry, they had a car but no money, it was dark and there was no way they could have found their way out of Brooklyn on their own. There was no money for a hotel. So we kicked everyone out of our room and told the girls they could spend the night there. As I was leaving the room I noticed a guy sticking his head around the corner. So I went back to the room and told the girls to lock the door and open it to NO one. Jack and I spent the night in Pipkorns room on the third floor.........next morning they were gone.
Two months later, Jack and I get this letter from Linda A. In it says, her conscious was been bothering her and Patty, about being in the in our room that night after everyone left. They knew it was against Bethel policy for girls to be in a Bethelites room all night. They had sent one letter to us and another one to Bethel. So next thing we knew, we were in George Couch's (Home Servant) office. As we were sitting there, sweating bullets. George says "So Brothers just what do you think those two sisters were DOING all night in your room with those two Brothers.........anyway?” “WHAT?" we said together........"What do you thing they were doing?"..........."What?" again we said. We found out two bethelites went back to our room after we left. It looks like...... we all got screwed that night but we never got a kiss, they could have kicked us both out for that but for some reason they didn't.
Well my friends, it is March 4, 2007 at 11:11 in the morning (this is when this was posted) I just got a call from my son and daughter.........It seems their mother, Debbie my ex-wife of 27 years just got engaged to Jay Miller from Tigard Oregon.
I wish her and her soon to be JW husband the best...Wow! Isn't life strange?
New Boy
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I'm A Pacifist but My God Wasn't!
by new boy inwere is the sense...to this?.
i wouldn't go to war...i was a conscientious objector in viet nam.
i couldn't even get into a fight at school without getting into trouble.. yet my god...jehovah was is a jealous god an angry god....a god who when he got pissed off could destroy a whole planet...remember the flood....(the bible said he felt bad afterwards)...that was nice.. now he is getting ready to do it again....7 billion people worth....and why?.
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Were is the sense...to this?
I wouldn't go to war...I was a conscientious objector in Viet Nam.
I couldn't even get into a fight at school without getting into trouble.
Yet my God...Jehovah was is a jealous God an Angry God....A God who when he got pissed off could destroy a whole planet...remember the flood....(The Bible said he felt bad afterwards)...that was nice.
Now he is getting ready to do it again....7 billion people worth....and why?
Because people won't buy his magizines and join his church. Hey! Have you seen some of these people going door to door?
Please god if you want me to join your team, better send me some people that have most there teeth and at least a 3rd grade education....Opps...I forgot you really don't like people on the bright side or too educated.
Hey, since he is all powerful doesn't he have the power to change people's minds about him and his good people?
Well, I guess not! That could take some time...and hay...it is so much easier to just kill them off..right!
Hitler was a mad man because he killed off only 100 million people because they wouldn't do what he said. What's the difference between him and your "God of love?"....The people will be just as dead!